Clay pipe stem dating

A Peterson Dating Guide

A Peterson Dating Guide

No other country can compete in comparison. However, the first couple of millennia of Irish history have no relevance to this dating guide. Should you wish to read more on the history of the Irish, I recommend "The Story of the Irish Race" by Seumas MacManus who gives a very vivid, and near as we can tell, an accurate portrayal of their history.

History pertinent to our purposes began in the year 1865; the year Charles Peterson opened a small tobacco shop in Dublin. This new pipe design is the now famous Peterson Patented System Smoking Pipe. In 1898 another of Peterson's remarkable inventions became available, the Peterson-Lip P-Lip mouthpiece, also known as the Steck mouthpiece. So for the purpose of this dating guide, we will study Irish history, relevant to our pipe dating needs, from 1870s until now.

Before we start with this Peterson dating guide, an observation; the Kapp Brothers originally came from Nuremberg, Germany. They were making pipes at least as early as the 1850s their Dublin shop opened in 1855 and in many of the shapes we now associate with Peterson since the Kapp Brothers simply took their existing shapes and incorporated Charles Peterson' s patented design into them. Explanation of Title The vagaries of Peterson's processes do not allow for an accurate dating guide so this guide is a 'rule-of-thumb' guide only.

For example; Peterson did not take up the old Country of Manufacture stamps as new ones were issued so depending on which one the various workers happen to pick up, the stamps can and do cross over the boundaries of the various Eras. Some of the pipes of the Sherlock Holmes Series of the 1980s have pre-Republic stamps, as well as other pipes produced in 2000. However, there will not be too many of these missed stamped clay pipe stem dating.

For silver anomalies, see the section on silver marks. Knowing these changes, a Peterson pipe can be roughly dated and placed in "eras. Though for our purposes we will list this era as 1875 through 1922.

Peterson pipes made during the majority of this period had no "Country of Manufacture" COM stamped on them. So the Free State Era will be from 1922 through 1937. Peterson followed with a COM stamp of "Irish Free State" in either one or two lines, either parallel or perpendicular to the shanks axis and extremely close to the stem.

The Made in Eire Era will be from 1938 through roughly 1940? Peterson now stamped their pipes with "Made in Eire" in a circle format with "Made" and "Eire" in a circle with the "in" located in the center of the circle. This COM was used during the years of 1938 - 1940? Later they stamped their pipes with "Made in Ireland" in a circle format 1945?

The "Made in Ireland" block format came in either one line or two lines. The Republic of Ireland was formed on 17 April 1949. From 1949 to present the stamp for this era is "Made in the Republic of Ireland" in a block format generally in three lines but two lines have been used with or without Republic being abbreviated. In 1895, Peterson opened a shop in London England that lasted until the late 1950s or early 1960s. So the English Era, for a simplified date, will be from 1895 through 1959.

We believe the earliest stamp of this era was the "Made in England" in a block format since Peterson was using the "Made in Ireland" block format at about the same time on their Irish production pipes. The "Made in England" circle format was used during the same time frame as the "Made in Eire" and "Made in Ireland" circle formats.

As one can see this is pretty straightforward but there have been inconsistencies within this method of stamping. The explanation for the question marks in the 1940s dates is, during the Second World War briar was hard to come by for obvious reasons, so no one can say for sure what years Peterson produced briar pipes and how many briar pipes were produced in those years.

Why the switch from "Made in Eire" to "Made in Ireland" is anyone's guess since the country was still technically Eire until 1949. As a point of interest and due to the shortage of briar, Peterson did make clay and Clay pipe stem dating Oak pipes during the war years though they had ceased production in the Patent Era and Bog Oak production back in the clay pipe stem dating 1930s see below.

The "Made in Ireland" block format can be another headache in dating Peterson pipes since this stamp was used in the late Patent Era as well as the late 1940s. So for a guide we must take into consideration the style of lettering Peterson used on their pipes. From the start of the Patent Era until somewhere in the early 1930s, Peterson used clay pipe stem dating "Old Style" lettering that used a forked tail "P" in Peterson See enclosure 1. From then until now, Peterson used the more familiar script "P" See Enclosure 2 intermixed with a plain block letter "P.

Again, there appears to be a cross-over with the old style clay pipe stem dating tail and the later forked tail P's. However, these commemorative pipes generally have a silver band with hallmarks so one can date these pipes by the hallmark. Also, we must address the stamp "A Peterson Product. So a pipe stamped thusly will have been made say from 1948 to the present with the COM stamp identifying it as a pre-Republic or a Republic pipe.

Silver Band Dating Silver hallmarks are placed on the clay pipe stem dating after an assay office, in Peterson's case, the Dublin Assay Office, has verified that the silver content is indeed sterling, in other words 925 parts of silver per 1000 parts of the metal. The silver hallmarks on Peterson pipes are a group of three marks, each in an escutcheon; the first is a seated Hibernia denoting Dublin Ireland, the second is a harp denoting the silver fineness, and the third is a letter denoting the year.

The style of letter and the shape of the escutcheon the letter is in, will determine the year in which the assay office stamped the metal band and not necessarily the year the pipe was made. Peterson orders these bands by the thousands and sends them to the assay office for hallmarking. The assay office will stamp the date of the year in which they received the bands and it may be a year or two or three before Peterson's employees happen to place one of these bands on a clay pipe stem dating though generally the bands are placed on a pipe in the year they were stamped.

The Dublin hallmarks can be found in any book on silver markings or on one of several web sites. For the one year, 1987, the Dublin Assay Office added a fourth mark to commemorate the City of Dublin's founding in 988. However, the Peterson pipes we have and have seen with silver dates of 1987 and 1988 generally do not have this fourth mark.

Here again, we must add a "maybe" to the above hallmarks. On 1 June 1976, certain countries attended an international conference on silver markings and decided to adopt an entirely different mark for sterling silver. This mark is an Arabian numeral, 925, located between the scales of a balance beam and in Peterson's case may or may not have the Hibernia and Harp marks to either side. These particular pipes can only be said to date between 1976 and the present, and were stamped as such clay pipe stem dating shipment to the different countries involved in the conference.

For pipes shipped to all other countries, Peterson still uses the old style hallmarks. Peterson pipes with a sterling silver band that does not have hallmarks could have been made for the United States market since the United States only requires sterling silver to be stamped "sterling silver" or "sterling.

Peterson uses three marks on some clay pipe stem dating their pipes that are not silver hallmarks but are rather another Peterson logo See Enclosure 4. Dating by Series Dating by series or numbers is an area in which we are having a difficult time of establishing.

For instance, the 300 series are all shapes used during the Patent Era and we believe Peterson started using this number system when the original patent expired.

In the case of the 300 series and without looking at the COM stamp or silver hallmark, one can only say that they were made between 1910 and today. The 300 series was not in Peterson's 1905 catalogue. Peterson made during the Patent Era with only two shapes being offered and depicted in their 1905 catalogue. How long and in what years Peterson made these clays is not known but as stated above two shapes were offered in their 1905 catalogue.

Then during World War II, Peterson again made clay pipes due to the understandable shortage of briar. The clays of this period are stamped "Peterson System" and were only offered with nickel bands. This later production of clay pipes ended with the closing of Peterson's London Shop in the late 1950s or early 1960s. Also during World War II, Peterson again made bog oak pipes and again, this was due to the shortage of briar.

They had previously ceased production of bog oak pipes in the 1930s during the Irish Free State Era. On the subject of bog oak pipes, Peterson's bog oaks will always have a metal band with either an amber early production only or vulcanite stems and will have the appropriate COM stamp.

As with their clay pipes, Peterson offered a silver or nickel band on their early bog oak pipes of the Patent Era and just a nickel band on their WWII bog clay pipe stem dating pipes. Peterson made pipes of cherry wood during their Patent Era in both the smooth finish and the bark-left-on finish; and as with their clay pipes, Peterson used clay pipe stem dating amber and vulcanite stems and choice of silver or nickel bands. And like their clay pipes of the Patent Era, the introduction and termination dates are not known.

Peterson Cherry Wood pipes were offered with or without a meerschaum lining. Metal Ferrules of Military Mounted Pipes As pipes get older, wear will, with all the handling, cleaning and polishing, take its toll on the nomenclature which will eventually disappear, thus, making it harder to determine the age of your Peterson.

A good thorough cleaning of old hand oils, dirt and ash will sometimes bring out a faint outline of the nomenclature but sometimes the nomenclature has completely worn away and even this cleaning will not bring it back. So where do we go from here to determine the pipe's age? The shape of the metal ferrule on Peterson pipes with the military mount will give you some hint though not a precise date. During the Patent Era, the metal ferrules of Peterson military mounts will have a more 'acorn-ish' shape, that is, the bend will have a larger radius as it turns down to meet the clay pipe stem dating.

This larger radius gradually? The metal ferrules on Peterson clay pipes during the Patent Era are angular while their clay pipe stem dating pipes of World War Two will have the bend shape as do most of the Peterson pipes from then until now. As with everything pertaining to the dating of Peterson pipes, this method can only give us a hint to the age of the pipe but it is better than nothing at all.

The years of these changes in the metal ferrule shape are, we are sure, clay pipe stem dating to the ages. However, someone with a larger number of Peterson pipes than we, may be able to check the silver dates for more precise age boundaries Well, this is a very short dating guide and we hope that you will be able to date more accurately your favorite Peterson with this information. Should you have a correction or addition to any of clay pipe stem dating above, feel free to contact Mike Leverette at - or.

How do you date a clay pipe?

Wolverhampton Archaeology Group Dating Clay Pipes from Bore Sizes By M R Holland Dating a Single Find Youll need a set of small diameter drills to clean the pipe bore and measure the internal diameter. Ideally, your set should range from 4/64 to 9/64 of an inch but metric sizes from 0.5 to 3.0mm in 0.5mm steps will work.

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How old are pipe stems?

This dating technique only applies to pipe stems manufactured in England between approximately 1590 and 1800. Historical archeologists do not rely on pipe stem fragments as the only source for determining a sites history.

What is the history of clay pipe industry?

The clay pipe industry expanded rapidly as tobacco smoking gained popularity in both England and America. Historical archeologists excavating English colonial sites often find pieces of white clay smoking pipes on their sites.

What is a late eighteenth century pipe?

Late Eighteenth Century and Later Stems  Pipes of this period were all made from fine clays without any obvious inclusions and they typically had stem bores of 5/64” to 4/64”. The stems were normally thinner than previously and varied in length, with nipple type mouthpieces being used on some types after about 1850.

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What size drill do you use to date clay pipes?

Dating Clay Pipes from Bore Sizes By M R Holland Dating a Single Find Youll need a set of small diameter drills to clean the pipe bore and measure the internal diameter. Ideally, your set should range from 4/64 to 9/64 of an inch but metric sizes from 0.5 to 3.0mm in 0.5mm steps will work.

Do clay pipes have a date on them?

Many clay pipes have a maker’s mark on them and these can not only provide an accurate date for the manufacture of the pipe but also an origin for it.

How can I tell how old a clay pipe is?

Many clay pipes have a maker’s mark on them and these can not only provide an accurate date for the manufacture of the pipe but also an origin for it.

How to date pipes?

How to ... date pipes he dating of a pipe fragment relies on assessing a whole range of variables to do with its fabric, manufacturing techniques, bowl form, style, finish, marks and decoration.

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